tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post8594291784859184754..comments2023-11-05T06:38:04.851-06:00Comments on Minnesota Family Council: "Death Panels", Obama, and PalinMinnesota Family Councilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05497991102856192058noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-91522583399274782472009-08-21T09:55:23.001-06:002009-08-21T09:55:23.001-06:00I am still waiting for a response on how your post...I am still waiting for a response on how your posting was irresponsible and dangerous to be so much of an alarmist.<br /><br />It was not justified, and it was plain lies.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-71121490240140499902009-08-19T12:22:15.002-06:002009-08-19T12:22:15.002-06:00I see since the facts can not be distorted anymore...I see since the facts can not be distorted anymore that the mfc will not give answer to any of the comments put here.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-40090481241467592162009-08-14T15:04:01.157-06:002009-08-14T15:04:01.157-06:00The specter of euthanasia is not an alarmist conce...The specter of euthanasia is not an alarmist concern. <br /><br />How do you explain your article now that millions of people have been shown the truth on this matter? And even conservatives have been quoted on the fact that Palin spoke out of turn? which is a nice way to say she lied?<br /><br />Will you appologize? Will you say that this article is a mistake?Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081156175128273676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-64621566122116907632009-08-14T15:01:03.857-06:002009-08-14T15:01:03.857-06:00Goose, The MFC will never appologize. It has been...Goose, The MFC will never appologize. It has been caught fully here. Gut response on me though is that they don't care. I just hope their followers see and understand the lies.<br /><br />the news is covering all angles on this lie and the world is laughing at us.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-64221916679802378562009-08-14T14:58:02.180-06:002009-08-14T14:58:02.180-06:00Once again the extremist groups and Lies make us a...Once again the extremist groups and Lies make us a laughing stock in the world. The lies Palin stated, and the alarmist tactics have caused huge relationship ties over seas.<br /><br />Brittan is demanding appologies from our Nation for the lies people like the MFC have stated that their health care system isn't working. Which is is. Canada does not have huge days wait for a broken finger, and worst of all there is no death panel syndrome in the stated health care reform bill.<br /><br />The mfc should provide for a full on appology for the lies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02232054322291984680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-11395455955045419192009-08-14T14:25:21.098-06:002009-08-14T14:25:21.098-06:00I am a republican, I am a Christain, i can only se...I am a republican, I am a Christain, i can only see benefits from health care reform.<br /><br />My faith, and my politics do not always mix. but I try to combine them. <br /><br />I believe its time to change the path the focus on the family is going. <br /><br />To be able to have more people follow, we need to follow Christs laws. Which is to accept all people, and to take care of all our Christs creatures.<br /><br />I am sadden by Abortion, I am also sadden by death penalties and by war.<br /><br />I am sadden that we do not take care of our own people and go to other countries and destroy theirs.<br /><br />I am sadden that we have not rebuilt New Orleans.<br /><br />I am sadden by the fear that is brought to the people to try and get them to leave the true flock of Jesus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05012228645327656415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-76372317042715339682009-08-14T14:14:10.021-06:002009-08-14T14:14:10.021-06:00The only Death Panel there is, is the one we will ...The only Death Panel there is, is the one we will have if we dont have health care reform.<br /><br />For all the scare tactics out there, what is truly scary is if we do nothing...For all the chatter and the yelling and the shouting and the noise, what you need to know is this: if you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care you need<br /><br />Besides, as long as they have a good product and can sustain themselves, private insurers should have no problem competing with the dumpy government plan.<br /><br />Ups and Fedex are doing just fine, its the post office thats always having problems!<br /><br />This is about having choices. <br /><br />For those who dont have a choice.<br /><br />But perhaps you are in favor of not allowing the poor, the middle class to access to health care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-56452804036980518022009-08-14T14:05:14.160-06:002009-08-14T14:05:14.160-06:00Sarah Quoted
"The rationing system proposed b...Sarah Quoted<br />"The rationing system proposed by one of President Obama’s key health care advisors is particularly disturbing. I’m speaking of the “Complete Lives System” advocated by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the president’s chief of staff. President Obama has not yet stated any opposition to the “Complete Lives System,” a system which, if enacted, would refuse to allocate medical resources to the elderly, the infirm, and the disabled who have less economic potential."<br /><br />ironically, it's Emanuel himself who's proven that cutting back on end-of-life care wouldn't make much of a dent in total healthcare spending.<br /><br /><br />I see nothing forward thinking in any of these statements and arguements on the health care bill.<br /><br />I see only the want to take down the one thing all of us need, which is health care.<br /><br />Canada is doing great on this type of bill. I have relatives In Toronto. The lies of long lines, people turned away is again a lie.<br /><br />My family loves the coverage and is striving in the politics of our country to the north. So are all their friends and family.<br /><br />Please readers do not believe all that is written here. Travel, go outside the country, talk to people around the world. <br /><br />We are young as politics goes and we are seen as that through out the world.<br /><br />The last eight years has taken down all our dignity. It is time to regain it. With health care for all people is a huge start.<br /><br />The debates on if health care should cover abortions, end of life dealings will continue. The healthy debate will allow us to grow as a nation. <br /><br />I believe that to be circumcised is wrong, but do I pose that onto all people? of course not.<br /><br />I am a buddhist. I am a Man. I do not think that all people should follow my thinking, but I feel that there is room for all thinking.<br /><br />I think we all need to take care of each other.<br /><br />Health care is the first step to do this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09852943351803608573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-86785096170957141912009-08-14T13:44:36.123-06:002009-08-14T13:44:36.123-06:00Isn't it God's Will to have end of live pl...Isn't it God's Will to have end of live planning? <br /><br />Former Alaska governor signed a proclamation urging medical professionals to participate in end-of-life planning, only she called it "advance directives." If the phrase "advance directives" will ease public apprehensions, by all means call it that.<br /><br />In fact, end-of-life planning exists in law now. Medicare requires hospitals, nursing homes and hospices to tell patients of their right to accept or refuse treatment and to urge them to make a "living will" and designate a proxy to see that it is carried out if they are incapacitated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-60961389481646333502009-08-14T13:36:44.885-06:002009-08-14T13:36:44.885-06:00Let's go to the bill text, shall we? "The...Let's go to the bill text, shall we? "The covered services are: evaluating the beneficiary's need for pain and symptom management, including the individual's need for hospice care; counseling the beneficiary with respect to end-of-life issues and care options, and advising the beneficiary regarding advanced care planning." The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571005711472544084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-1094927079741623972009-08-14T13:34:02.021-06:002009-08-14T13:34:02.021-06:00Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill,...Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill, the one that passed with the votes of 204 GOP House members and 42 GOP Senators? Anyone want to guess what it provided funding for? Did you say counseling for end-of-life issues and care? Ding ding ding!! <br /><br />So either Republicans were for death panels in 2003 before turning against them now--or they're lying about end-of-life counseling in order to frighten the bejeezus out of their fellow citizens and defeat health reform by any means necessary.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571005711472544084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-84340187697427684192009-08-14T13:32:38.259-06:002009-08-14T13:32:38.259-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13571005711472544084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-879599833789421172009-08-14T13:27:03.953-06:002009-08-14T13:27:03.953-06:00I found this one article to be very profound.
I t...I found this one article to be very profound.<br /><br />I tried to copy it here but I am not very text savey<br /><br />http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/opinion/?id=33681<br /><br />As a pro christ site, I am hoping that you will change your attitude on health care reform.<br /><br />I understand your wants to not cover cost for items you find offensive in your religion. Such as abortions.<br /><br />But that is not what this health reform is about. <br /><br />Its about a very sound justice.<br /><br />Its about service to all men.<br /><br />Its what Jesus would have wanted.<br /><br />Continue your voices in the public on change on moral ground, you are covered by the first admendment to do so. <br /><br />But to lie to your public and to use fear to make them follow is wrong.Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-1441146635209347002009-08-14T13:21:11.623-06:002009-08-14T13:21:11.623-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-75813073347952307602009-08-14T13:20:32.689-06:002009-08-14T13:20:32.689-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-46806981326602393152009-08-14T13:11:43.839-06:002009-08-14T13:11:43.839-06:00Please dear readers do your research.
These scare...Please dear readers do your research.<br /><br />These scare tactics are not just fear tactics they are down right lies.<br /><br />Your so called leaders are lieing to you. <br /><br />Just as they did with Iraq. They will go as far as illegal acts to pull the wool over your eyes. <br /><br />Do NOT let them scare you from the one most important act that Obama can do for all Americans, which is to ensure Health care for all citizens. I would think as true Christains that this would be the first thing all of you would jump at. To ensure that all people are taken care of, and through the same acts of you putting your dimes into the baskets each week at church you will need to put your tax dimes into the baskets to cover yourselves, your neighbors, the ones you love, the ones you say you love but hate the sin of their lives. What ever the case, this is about reform of the best kind.<br /><br />http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2009/August/14/Palin-Death-Panels.aspx<br /><br />http://mediamatters.org/research/200908140007<br /><br />http://www.wbur.org/news/npr/111885007<br /><br />http://www.cnbc.com/id/32414746<br /><br />http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2009/08/coulter_on_deat.php<br /><br />factcheck.org<br /><br />http://www.mercedsunstar.com/359/story/1002119.htmlUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-5890391778988599282009-08-14T13:00:01.574-06:002009-08-14T13:00:01.574-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-53898923279684162232009-08-14T12:51:57.912-06:002009-08-14T12:51:57.912-06:00Palin's claim sounds a little like another sta...Palin's claim sounds a little like another statement making the rounds, which says that health care reform would mandate counseling for seniors on how to end their lives sooner. We rated this claims Pants on Fire! The truth is that the health bill allows Medicare, for the first time, to pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills and other end-of-life issues with their physicians. These types of appointments are completely optional, and AARP supports the measure.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713682627148119565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-34258312557566013492009-08-14T12:43:01.616-06:002009-08-14T12:43:01.616-06:00The news papers across the nation and the world h...The news papers across the nation and the world has debunked all of this.<br /><br />Do your fact checking, your research, and listen to more than just one outlet the extremist religious colonizing right that want to control with their power and greed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-17551633884665224642009-08-14T12:40:06.999-06:002009-08-14T12:40:06.999-06:00The accepted definition of end-of-life planning me...The accepted definition of end-of-life planning means thinking ahead about the care you would like to receive at the end of your life – which may include the choice to reject extraordinary measures of life support, or the choice to embrace them. For instance, the National Library of Medicine describes end-of-life services as “services [that] are available to help patients and their families deal with issues surrounding death.” This can include making decisions about treatment, designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice program and putting together a living will, all of which the bill mentions explicitly as being part of an advance care planning consultation. In a 2003 study, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality found that “[p]atients who talked with their families or physicians about their preferences for end-of-life care had less fear and anxiety, felt they had more ability to influence and direct their medical care, believed that their physicians had a better understanding of their wishes, and indicated a greater understanding and comfort level than they had before the discussion.”<br /><br />Furthermore, the bill would not make these sessions mandatory. It modifies section 1861(s)(2) of the Social Security Act, defining what services Medicare will pay for – if these definitions made treatments mandatory, seniors would all be required to get artificial legs and midwife services, too. In other words, this section of H.R. 3200 would require Medicare to pay doctors when they counsel their patients about such things as living wills, but no more frequently than once every five years, unless there’s a significant change in health status. “Both myself and our outside counsel have reviewed section 1233 of the House bill, and neither one of us can reach the conclusion that it is a mandatory consultation for Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries,” Jon Keyserling, vice president of public policy at the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, told us. “The opportunity for the consultation is not only voluntary but patient-initiated.”<br /><br /><br />ABC correspondant Jake Tapper contacted Palin to find out what part of the bill contained the “death panel.” A spokesperson referred him to the same “advanced planning care consultation” section that McCaughey referred to in her remarks.<br /><br />Apparently Sarah Palin doesn’t know too many of the facts about the health care bill. That’s not too surprising, since she could not name a single newspaper or magazine she reads. Instead, she sticks to rhetoric in her facebook postings. The good old argument from outrage is a favorite in politics, as well as the straw man and appealing to people’s fears. Palin’s claims have no basis in realityClaudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081156175128273676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-2727654195617072902009-08-14T12:35:50.711-06:002009-08-14T12:35:50.711-06:00Palin hasn't always been against end-of-life c...Palin hasn't always been against end-of-life counseling. As Alaska governor, she signed a proclamation making April 16, 2008, Healthcare Decision Day with the goal to have health care professionals and others participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information about advance directives.<br /><br />The proclamation noted that only about 20 percent of Alaskans, and 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients, have an advance directive. "It is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about advance directives," it said.Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081156175128273676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-44368943356938150592009-08-14T12:00:57.376-06:002009-08-14T12:00:57.376-06:00contin...
Last week, Mr. Grassley claimed that hi...contin...<br /><br />Last week, Mr. Grassley claimed that his colleague Ted Kennedy’s brain tumor wouldn’t have been treated properly in other countries because they prefer to “spend money on people who can contribute more to the economy.” This week, he told an audience that “you have every right to fear,” that we “should not have a government-run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma.” <br /><br />Again, that’s what a supposedly centrist Republican, a member of the Gang of Six trying to devise a bipartisan health plan, sounds like.<br /><br />So much, then, for Mr. Obama’s dream of moving beyond divisive politics. The truth is that the factors that made politics so ugly in the Clinton years — the paranoia of a significant minority of Americans and the cynical willingness of leading Republicans to cater to that paranoia — are as strong as ever. In fact, the situation may be even worse than it was in the 1990s because the collapse of the Bush administration has left the G.O.P. with no real leaders other than Rush Limbaugh. <br /><br />The question now is how Mr. Obama will deal with the death of his postpartisan dream.<br /><br />So far, at least, the Obama administration’s response to the outpouring of hate on the right has had a deer-in-the-headlights quality. It’s as if officials still can’t wrap their minds around the fact that things like this can happen to people who aren’t named Clinton, as if they keep expecting the nonsense to just go away.<br /><br />What, then, should Mr. Obama do? It would certainly help if he gave clearer and more concise explanations of his health care plan. To be fair, he’s gotten much better at that over the past couple of weeks.<br /><br />What’s still missing, however, is a sense of passion and outrage — passion for the goal of ensuring that every American gets the health care he or she needs, outrage at the lies and fear-mongering that are being used to block that goal. <br /><br />So can Mr. Obama, who can be so eloquent when delivering a message of uplift, rise to the challenge of unreasoning, unappeasable opposition? Only time will tell.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-1009887675380296922009-08-14T12:00:39.616-06:002009-08-14T12:00:39.616-06:00Because people need to see more than fox news ille...Because people need to see more than fox news illererate brainwashing fear tactics. <br />Op-Ed Columnist<br />Republican Death Trip <br />Published: August 13, 2009 <br /><br />“I am in this race because I don’t want to see us spend the next year re-fighting the Washington battles of the 1990s. I don’t want to pit Blue America against Red America; I want to lead a United States of America.” So declared Barack Obama in November 2007, making the case that Democrats should nominate him, rather than one of his rivals, because he could free the nation from the bitter partisanship of the past.<br /><br />Skip to next paragraph <br /> <br />Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times<br />Paul Krugman <br /><br />Go to Columnist Page » Blog: The Conscience of a Liberal <br />Related<br />Times Topics: Health Care ReformReaders' Comments<br />Readers shared their thoughts on this article.<br />Read All Comments (380) »<br />Some of us were skeptical. A couple of months after Mr. Obama gave that speech, I warned that his vision of a “different kind of politics” was a vain hope, that any Democrat who made it to the White House would face “an unending procession of wild charges and fake scandals, dutifully given credence by major media organizations that somehow can’t bring themselves to declare the accusations unequivocally false.”<br /><br />So, how’s it going?<br /><br />Sure enough, President Obama is now facing the same kind of opposition that President Bill Clinton had to deal with: an enraged right that denies the legitimacy of his presidency, that eagerly seizes on every wild rumor manufactured by the right-wing media complex.<br /><br />This opposition cannot be appeased. Some pundits claim that Mr. Obama has polarized the country by following too liberal an agenda. But the truth is that the attacks on the president have no relationship to anything he is actually doing or proposing. <br /><br />Right now, the charge that’s gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create “death panels” (in Sarah Palin’s words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It’s a complete fabrication, of course. The provision requiring that Medicare pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling was introduced by Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican — yes, Republican — of Georgia, who says that it’s “nuts” to claim that it has anything to do with euthanasia. <br /><br />And not long ago, some of the most enthusiastic peddlers of the euthanasia smear, including Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, and Mrs. Palin herself, were all for “advance directives” for medical care in the event that you are incapacitated or comatose. That’s exactly what was being proposed — and has now, in the face of all the hysteria, been dropped from the bill.<br /><br />Yet the smear continues to spread. And as the example of Mr. Gingrich shows, it’s not a fringe phenomenon: Senior G.O.P. figures, including so-called moderates, have endorsed the lie.<br /><br />Senator Chuck Grassley, Republican of Iowa, is one of these supposed moderates. I’m not sure where his centrist reputation comes from — he did, after all, compare critics of the Bush tax cuts to Hitler. But in any case, his role in the health care debate has been flat-out despicable.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-36365272222923736692009-08-14T11:55:05.169-06:002009-08-14T11:55:05.169-06:00The fake-outrage over the non-existent "death...The fake-outrage over the non-existent "death panels" is probably the most despicable and transparent political ploy I've seen in my lifetime. <br /><br />here are some facts some numbers.<br /><br />Weekly Tracking Poll: Democrats Win First Round of Town Hall <br /><br />FAVORABLE UNFAVORABLE NET CHANGE <br />PRESIDENT OBAMA 60 (60) 36 (37) +1 <br /> <br />PELOSI: 36 (35) 56 (57) +2 <br />REID: 34 (33) 55 (56) +2 <br />McCONNELL: 16 (17) 66 (66) -1 <br />BOEHNER: 11 (12) 66 (65) -2 <br /> <br />CONGRESSIONAL DEMS: 43 (42) 51 (52) +2 <br />CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: 10 (10) 76 (75) -1 <br /> <br />DEMOCRATIC PARTY: 45 (44) 48 (49) +2 <br />REPUBLICAN PARTY: 17 (18) 74 (73) -2 <br /><br /><br />Watching this blend of opportunistic charlatans and self-deluded fools in action provides some first-hand understanding of how anyone could have looked at the work of Galileo and said, "But the Earth doesn't move." <br /><br />Again happened, and is fact and truth.Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081156175128273676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-60838475720320900582009-08-14T09:50:35.226-06:002009-08-14T09:50:35.226-06:00Fear tatics can only go so far.
Lead with Positiv...Fear tatics can only go so far.<br /><br />Lead with Positive Motion, and Concern for the Nation and Health care.<br /><br />This is what our president is doing.<br /><br />You scare, and bully people into submission.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.com