tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post843046157064590928..comments2023-11-05T06:38:04.851-06:00Comments on Minnesota Family Council: ELCA embraces homosexual clergy and moral relativismMinnesota Family Councilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05497991102856192058noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-78863578416481856532009-09-21T17:27:23.775-06:002009-09-21T17:27:23.775-06:00JOHN, I ask again, in polite tone for an answer.
...JOHN, I ask again, in polite tone for an answer.<br /><br />you said...<br /><br />If Jesus distinguished between moral and ceremonial law, shouldn't we do so as well?<br /><br /><br />the new testiment says this.<br /><br />Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)<br /><br />I invite you to show me where the same moral thought is today?<br /><br />Do you support these passages? If so explain how.Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-78510342235162800022009-09-20T18:50:21.618-06:002009-09-20T18:50:21.618-06:00john, my question to you is have YOU read all thos...john, my question to you is have YOU read all those passages?<br /><br />And how do you condone the true falsehoods and contradicted passages?<br /><br />Do you back the fact that bible condones slavery for instance. Lets start with that. What is your answer to that?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556577495722215396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-71653946176608186952009-09-12T08:35:39.247-06:002009-09-12T08:35:39.247-06:00I was brought up with the teachings yes. I have r...I was brought up with the teachings yes. I have read them all yes.<br /><br />After reading them all, and after becoming a man, I understand that that men of the times wrote the books. All the books, including all the books that all the different churches have decided to leave out.<br /><br />I understand that time lines, and dates, science, and facts are not in the bible. I understand that the history is in the legends, stories, and morals that were subscribed to. <br /><br />I understand that we do not need to have laws to tell us what to eat any longer. I understand that moral structure such as owning another person has changed and so it should have. I understand as with that, the understanding of other morals that the bible condones, such as rape, and muder for certain "crimes" are also immoral now. I also know that with that knowledge I must also understand that I do not own people do not own judgement on homosexuals.<br /><br />One can not make choice of which moral passage is ok not to follow anylonger and the other ok and call the book the word of GOD and all truth.<br /><br />Truth today is not the same as truth then.<br /><br />Its time for you to answer, how you can make the choice on which moral structure and which moral passage you have made choice to follow and which ones you can pass off as change of times?<br /><br />Or perhaps you do own a slave, have multiple wives and are planning on how to stone me for disagreement of your God?<br /><br />I think not.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-29435744213605758692009-09-11T16:44:53.141-06:002009-09-11T16:44:53.141-06:00Herb, Just wondering if you've actually read a...Herb, Just wondering if you've actually read all the Scripture passages you listed.John Helmbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122711996810769770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-51609810698719097192009-09-07T03:10:23.856-06:002009-09-07T03:10:23.856-06:00I see that no one of "biblical" knowledg...I see that no one of "biblical" knowledge is brave enough to answer to either jesus was a liberal or to herb.<br /><br />because perhaps they know they can not answer or respond to such important questions as they pose?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-24143693866578534242009-09-03T14:59:25.018-06:002009-09-03T14:59:25.018-06:00Pick up a bible and ask God to reveal the truth to...Pick up a bible and ask God to reveal the truth to you. If you are sincere in your efforts He will.Blog molehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12832682711227274767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-44832251996296865312009-09-02T18:57:35.141-06:002009-09-02T18:57:35.141-06:00Those today decrying homosexuality and citing bibl...Those today decrying homosexuality and citing biblical references to buttress their position are doing so more as an act of their homophobia than as an exposition of biblical knowledge. To truly follow Paul, they should be decrying adultery, greed, and gluttony more often and with as much gusto as they decry than homosexual relations.Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081156175128273676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-4743299660027043342009-09-02T09:09:50.036-06:002009-09-02T09:09:50.036-06:00Troy... For them its true, they can believe that t...Troy... For them its true, they can believe that the sky is orange and the ground is made of marshmellows for all I care, just don't tell me to believe it, and keep it out of our laws and schools. Mostly don't tell me its the "moral truth".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-39150740235398738392009-09-02T07:48:07.201-06:002009-09-02T07:48:07.201-06:00John,
I count those millions among the flat-earthe...John,<br />I count those millions among the flat-earthers. Just because they believe it does not make it true.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000801766472938222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-24421562995470250392009-08-30T22:24:50.466-06:002009-08-30T22:24:50.466-06:00The problem is that your way is
Think not that I ...The problem is that your way is<br /><br />Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I come not to send peace, but a sword<br /><br />that is exactly the way of the middle east and that of all extremists.<br /><br />My Christ is love giving and accepting.<br /><br />I hope that you find him.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09242002866704881680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-77309070283651578252009-08-30T22:08:29.752-06:002009-08-30T22:08:29.752-06:00Warning women not to become mothers
Matt. 2...Warning women not to become mothers <br /> Matt. 24:19 <br /> Luke 23:29 <br /><br />Wild beasts, fowl, dogs and swords devouring flesh <br /> Ezekiel 33:27 <br /> Deut. 28:26 <br /> Lev. 26:22 <br /> Jeremiah 15:3 <br /><br />Wiping out whole cities with napalm or war <br /> Joshua 6 <br /> Gen. 19 <br /> Num. 21:25 <br /> Deut. 2:34 <br /><br />Women kissing men's feet and drying them with their hair <br /> Luke 7:45 <br /> John 12:3 <br /><br />last but not least<br /> <br />Z Zapping innocents--throughout.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-8569541432259754272009-08-30T22:07:52.365-06:002009-08-30T22:07:52.365-06:00Refusing to heal a child because of its race
...Refusing to heal a child because of its race <br /> Matt. 15:26 <br /><br />Refusing to share your children as food for friends <br /> Deut. 28:55 <br /> II Kings 6:29 <br /><br />Revilling and abusing the sick, handicapped and deformed <br /> II Sam. 5:8 <br /> Num. 5:2-4 <br /> Lev. 21:1-23 <br /><br />Ripping up pregnant women <br /> II Kings 15:16 <br /> <br />S Sacrificing human beings to gods <br /> Matt. 27:35 <br /> Judges 11:39 <br /> II Sam. 21:1-9 <br /> II Kings 16:3 <br /> II Kings 17:17 <br /> II Kings 21:6 <br /> Ex. 22:29 <br /><br />Seducing your own father and kinsman <br /> Gen. 19:30-38 <br /> Ruth 3:4-15 <br /><br />Selling your daughter into slavery <br /> Ex. 21:7 <br /><br />Selling a whole family to pay a debt <br /> Matt. 18:23-25 <br /><br />Selling yourself into slavery <br /> Matt. 18:23-25 <br /><br />Sending your wife and child into the desert alone <br /> Gen. 21:14 <br /><br />Separating oneself from those of another doctrine <br /> Romans 16:17 <br /> 1 Tim. 6:5 <br /><br />Seven women taking hold of one man <br /> Isaiah 4:1 <br /><br />Sexually abusing women to death <br /> Judges 19:25 <br /><br />Shedding blood for atonement for the soul <br /> Lev. 17:11 <br /> Hebrews 9:22 <br /> John 1:7 <br /> Matt. 26:28 <br /><br />Slaying old and young, maids and little children and women, but sparing the men <br /> Ezekiel 9:6 <br /><br />Slavishly obeying husbands, parents, masters, state, gods <br /> Gen. 3:16 <br /> I Cor. 11:3 <br /> James 4:7 <br /> Romans 13:1 <br /> Ephesians 5:22 <br /> Ephesians 6:5 <br /> Ephesians 6:1 <br /> Colossians 3:18 <br /> Colossians 3:20 <br /> Colossians 3:22 <br /><br />Spreading excrement on human faces; spitting in your child's face; washing your feet in blood <br /> Malachi 2:3 <br /> Num. 12:14 <br /> Psalms 58:10 <br /><br />Stoning and burning whole families <br /> Joshua 7:24-26 <br /> Num. 16:35 <br /><br />Stoning women for being rape victims <br /> Deut. 22:21 <br /><br />Stoning and burning women for not being virgins <br /> Deut. 22:21 <br /> Lev. 21:9 <br /><br />Stoning your brothers, son, daughter, and wife for worshipping differently from yourself <br /> Deut. 13:6-10 <br /><br />Stoning a man for picking up sticks <br /> Num. 15:35-36 <br /><br />Stoning a youth for blasphemy <br /> Lev. 24:23 <br /><br />Stripping women of their clothing and jewelry <br /> Ezekiel 16:39 <br /> <br />T Taking women and children as spoils of war and dividing up the virgins and babies <br /> Num. 31:18-40 <br /> Deut. 20:14 <br /> II Chron. 28:8 <br /><br />Tearing off women's breasts <br /> Ezekiel 23:24 <br /><br />Ten virgins awaiting one bridegroom <br /> Matt. 25:1-3 <br /><br />Throwing a woman from a window to be run over by horses and eaten by dogs <br /> II Kings 9:32-37 <br /><br />Throwing babies into a river <br /> Ex. 1:22 <br /><br />Thrusting people through and stabbing them in the belly with a concealed dagger <br /> Num. 25:8 <br /> Isaiah 13:15 <br /> Judges 3:21 <br /> Zech. 13:3 <br /><br />Torturing animals by hanging them, tying them together and setting their tails on fire, drowning them, and afflicting them with plagues <br /> II Sam. 8:4 <br /> Judges 15:4-5 <br /> Ex. 9:3,6 <br /> Ex. 14:28 <br /><br />Torturing victims with briers, thorns, harrows, saws, passing through fire, the brick kiln, plagues, eternal fire, frogs, lice, flies, thirst, hunger, boils, and sores <br /> Matt. 13:49-50 <br /> Num. 21:5-9 <br /> Judges 8:16 <br /> II Sam. 12:31 <br /> I Chron. 20:3 <br /> Job <br /> II Kings 8:1 <br /> II Sam. 18:14 <br /> Ex. 23:28, 30 <br /> Ex. 7-11 <br /> Num. 16:41-49 <br /> II Sam. 24:15 <br /> Joshua 10:10-11 <br /> Num. 11:33 <br /><br />"Trying out" virgins <br /> Esther 2:12-14 <br /><br />Turning a used woman into the streets at will <br /> Deut. 21:11-14 <br /> Deut. 24:1-3 <br /> Matt. 19:7-8 <br /> Gen. 21:14 <br /> <br />U Using a virgin to give an old man heat <br /> I Kings 1:1-2Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-27572369533079571422009-08-30T22:05:18.444-06:002009-08-30T22:05:18.444-06:00Letting your neighbors help you stone and burn you...Letting your neighbors help you stone and burn your children alive <br /> Deut. 13:6-10 <br /> Deut. 22:20-21 <br /> Deut. 21:18-21 <br /><br />Lions breaking bones of husbands, wives and children <br /> Daniel 6:24 <br /> <br />M Making innocent pay for misdeeds of the guilty <br /> Romans 5:12 <br /> Gen. 3 <br /> Josh. 27:24-26 <br /> II Sam. 12:11-14 <br /> I Sam. 6:19 <br /> Ex. 20:5 <br /> II Sam. 24:15 <br /><br />Making people disobey so you can punish them <br /> Ex. 12:28-29 <br /> John 12:39-40 <br /> Romans 9:16-22 <br /> II Peter 2:9 <br /> Ezekiel 14:9 <br /><br />Making the sun stand still <br /> Joshua 10:13 <br /><br />Making wives barren, ravishing them and giving them to someone else, all to punish their husbands <br /> Deut. 28:30 <br /> Isaiah 13:16 <br /> II Sam. 12:11 <br /> Jeremiah 8:10 <br /> Zechariah 14:2 <br /> Jeremiah 6:12 <br /> Gen. 20:18 <br /> I Sam. 25:44 <br /> II Sam. 16:21 <br /> II Sam. 12:11 <br /> II Sam. 6:23 <br /><br />Making your child "pass through the fire" <br /> II Kings 21:6 <br /> II Kings 16:3 <br /> II Kings 17:17 <br /><br />Mountains melting with blood; rivers and moon turning to blood; the sword of the Lord filled with blood; shedding of blood for redemption; pour out blood by the force of the sword <br /> Ex. 7:20 <br /> Matt. 26:28 <br /> Rev. 6:12 <br /> Isaiah 34:6 <br /> Jeremiah 18:21 <br /> Isaiah 34:3 <br /><br />Mutliating the dead <br /> II Sam. 4:7, 12 <br /> <br />O Obtaining slaves by buying the heathen, taking captives, buying a brother <br /> Lev. 25:45 <br /> Lev. 25:48 <br /> II Chron. 28:8 <br /> Deut. 15:12 <br /><br />Offering your virgin daughters to perverts <br /> Gen. 19:4-8 <br /><br />One thousand women belonging to one man <br /> I Kings 11:3 <br /> <br />P Pimping for your wife <br /> Gen. 12:11-19 <br /> Gen. 20:2-18 <br /> Gen. 26:6-12 <br /><br />Plotting the death of your paramour's husband <br /> II Sam. 11:14-15 <br /><br />Punishing a whole people for one person's sin <br /> I Kings 20:42 <br /> II Sam. 24 <br /> I Kings 17:1 <br /> Gen. 3:14-19 <br /><br />Purifying virgins with 12 months of perfume and oil <br /> Esther 2:12 <br /><br />Putting a knife to your child's throat <br /> Gen. 22:10 <br /><br />Putting babies to the sword <br /> Matt. 2:16 <br /><br />Putting brothers, companions and neighbors to the sword <br /> Ex. 32:27 <br /> Hosea 13:8 <br /><br />Putting the sword to all the firstborn of an entire country <br /> Ex. 12:29 <br /><br />Putting your feet on captives' necks <br /> II Sam. 22:35-41 <br /> Joshua 10:24Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-62824835051839462342009-08-30T22:04:28.080-06:002009-08-30T22:04:28.080-06:00Hacking a man to death
I Sam. 15:33
Hangi...Hacking a man to death <br /> I Sam. 15:33 <br /><br />Hanging up heads against the sun. Putting children's heads in baskets. Nailing a head to the ground <br /> Num. 25:4, 9 <br /> II Kings 10:7 <br /> Judges 4:21 <br /><br />Hating, abandoning and delivering your family up to authorities. Being rude to your mother and sisters <br /> Matt. 10:35 <br /> Matt. 10:21 <br /> Matt. 19:29 <br /> Ezra 10 <br /> John 2:4 <br /> Matt. 12:48 <br /> Luke 14:26 <br /><br />Hating this life and this world to gain the next. Despising your body <br /> John 12:25 <br /> Matt. 6:33 <br /> Romans 8:18 <br /> Mark 8:35 <br /> Romans 8:10 <br /><br />Having repeated sexual intercourse in public view with your neighbor's wives and your fathers' wives <br /> II Sam. 12:11 <br /> II Sam. 16:22 <br /><br />Having sexual relations with your wife and her mother <br /> Lev. 20:14 <br /><br />Healing with spit and magic and oil and laying on of hands, faith, a brass snake, aprons, handkerchiefs, prayer, by dipping into a pool, a garment hem, a lump of figs, and shadow. <br /> James 5:13-15 <br /> Acts 19:11-12 <br /> Mark 16:18 <br /> Mark 5:25-30 <br /> Mark 5:34 <br /> Mark 7:33 <br /> II Kings 20:7 <br /> Num. 21:8 <br /> John 5:4 <br /> Acts 5:15 <br /><br />Hiding in vineyards to capture girls as they dance <br /> Judges 21:20-23 <br /><br />Hiring a hitman to kill your brother <br /> I Kings 2:25 <br /><br />Human entrails gushing out <br /> Acts 1:18-19 <br /> Judges 3:22 <br /> <br />I Ignorance being elevated above wisdom. People being told to become as children <br /> I Cor. 1:27 <br /> I Cor. 1:19 <br /> I Cor. 4:10 <br /> Matt. 18:3 <br /><br />Incest: raping your sister; impregnating your daughers; marrying your sister; impregnating your daughter-in-law <br /> II Sam. 13:1-22 <br /> Gen. 19:36 <br /> Gen. 20:12 <br /> Gen. 38:13-27 <br /><br />Inflicting childbirth pain as punishment <br /> Gen. 3:16 <br /> <br />K Kidnapping virgins for sex partners <br /> Judges 21:7-14 <br /><br />Killing a child to punish the father <br /> II Sam. 12:14 <br /><br />Killing all your grandchildren and nephews <br /> II Kings 11:1 <br /> II Kings 10:13-14 <br /><br />Killing all your servants <br /> II Kings 14:5-7 <br /><br />Killing a man's children and replacing them with another set <br /> Book of Job <br /><br />Killing everyone breathing <br /> Num. 21:35 <br /> Joshua 8:26 <br /> Deut. 20:16 <br /> Num. 21:3 <br /> Joshua 9:11-21 <br /> Joshua 10:28-40 <br /><br />Killing man, woman, infant, suckling <br /> I Sam. 15:3 <br /> Deut. 3:6 <br /><br />Killing your brothers <br /> Gen. 4:8 <br /> II Chron. 21:4 <br /> Ex. 32:37 <br /> Judges 9:5 <br /><br />Killing your enemies with swords, hailstones, slingshots, arrows, and by crushing, fiery serpents and hornet stings, flaying off their skin and whipping them to death with an animal bone and an ax goad <br /> Judges 3:31 <br /> Judges 16:27, 30 <br /> Judges 15:14 <br /> I Kings 20:28-30 <br /> Ex. 9:25 <br /> Deut. 13:15 <br /> Num. 21:6 <br /> Deut. 32:23-25 <br /> Deut: 7:20 <br /><br />Killing 50,000 innocent persons because a few looked into a box <br /> I Sam. 6:19Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-56818990565896640532009-08-30T22:03:10.631-06:002009-08-30T22:03:10.631-06:00Eating human flesh and drinking human blood
...Eating human flesh and drinking human blood <br /> John 6:53 <br /><br />Eating the flesh of your own arm, the flesh of your children and of a friend <br /> Lev. 26:29 <br /> Isaiah 9:2 <br /> Jeremiah 19:9 <br /> Deut. 28:53 <br /><br />Eyes consuming away in their holes and tongues consuming away in their mouths <br /> Zechariah 14:12 <br /><br />Exorcising devils from people's bodies <br /> Mark 1:23-27 <br /> Mark 1:34 <br /> Mark 5:2-14 <br /> Mark 16:17 <br /> Matt. 8:28-32 <br /> Matt. 17:14-18 <br /> Matt. 9:32-33 <br /> Matt. 12:22 <br /> Luke 8:28 <br /> Luke 13:32 <br /> Luke 8:2 <br /> Luke 9:1 <br /> Luke 10:17 <br /> Luke 9:39, 42 <br /> <br />F Fastening human beings to trees <br /> Mark 15:25 <br /> Joshua 8 <br /> Acts 5:30 <br /><br />Filling the altars and courtyards with blood of sacrificial animals <br /> Lev. 16:11, 15 <br /><br />Filling the courts with the slain <br /> Ezekiel 9:7 <br /><br />Filling the sword of the Lord with blood <br /> Isaiah 34:2-6 <br /> Judges 7:18 <br /><br />Forbidding men to touch the bodies of women and the dead <br /> I Cor. 7:1 <br /> I Cor. 7:29 <br /> Lev. 21:11 <br /><br />Forbidding women to learn, adorn themselves, speak in church, teach or visit friends <br /> I Cor. 14:34-35 <br /> I Tim. 2:11-12 <br /> I Tim. 5:13 <br /> I Tim. 2:9 <br /><br />Forcing a woman to marry seven brothers <br /> Luke 20:29-32 <br /> <br />G Giving your children away <br /> Deut. 28:32 <br /><br />Gods impregnating human beings <br /> Matt. 1:18 <br /> Luke 1:35 <br /> Genesis 6:2Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-23911796025812609172009-08-30T22:02:38.413-06:002009-08-30T22:02:38.413-06:00Eating human flesh and drinking human blood
...Eating human flesh and drinking human blood <br /> John 6:53 <br /><br />Eating the flesh of your own arm, the flesh of your children and of a friend <br /> Lev. 26:29 <br /> Isaiah 9:2 <br /> Jeremiah 19:9 <br /> Deut. 28:53 <br /><br />Eyes consuming away in their holes and tongues consuming away in their mouths <br /> Zechariah 14:12 <br /><br />Exorcising devils from people's bodies <br /> Mark 1:23-27 <br /> Mark 1:34 <br /> Mark 5:2-14 <br /> Mark 16:17 <br /> Matt. 8:28-32 <br /> Matt. 17:14-18 <br /> Matt. 9:32-33 <br /> Matt. 12:22 <br /> Luke 8:28 <br /> Luke 13:32 <br /> Luke 8:2 <br /> Luke 9:1 <br /> Luke 10:17 <br /> Luke 9:39, 42 <br /> <br />F Fastening human beings to trees <br /> Mark 15:25 <br /> Joshua 8 <br /> Acts 5:30 <br /><br />Filling the altars and courtyards with blood of sacrificial animals <br /> Lev. 16:11, 15 <br /><br />Filling the courts with the slain <br /> Ezekiel 9:7 <br /><br />Filling the sword of the Lord with blood <br /> Isaiah 34:2-6 <br /> Judges 7:18 <br /><br />Forbidding men to touch the bodies of women and the dead <br /> I Cor. 7:1 <br /> I Cor. 7:29 <br /> Lev. 21:11 <br /><br />Forbidding women to learn, adorn themselves, speak in church, teach or visit friends <br /> I Cor. 14:34-35 <br /> I Tim. 2:11-12 <br /> I Tim. 5:13 <br /> I Tim. 2:9 <br /><br />Forcing a woman to marry seven brothers <br /> Luke 20:29-32 <br /> <br />G Giving your children away <br /> Deut. 28:32 <br /><br />Gods impregnating human beings <br /> Matt. 1:18 <br /> Luke 1:35 <br /> Genesis 6:2Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-5381869352750206172009-08-30T22:00:44.463-06:002009-08-30T22:00:44.463-06:00Castrating men for the Lord
Isaiah 56:4-5
...Castrating men for the Lord <br /> Isaiah 56:4-5 <br /> Matt. 19:12 <br /><br />Chopping off heads, hands, feet, ears and plucking out eyes <br /> Matt. 18:8-9 <br /> John 18:10 <br /> Num. 25:9 <br /> Matt. 14:10 <br /> II Sam. 4:7, 12 <br /><br />Circumcising a child with a sharp stone <br /> Ex. 4:24-26 <br /><br />Circumcising thousands at one time <br /> Joshua 5:2-8 <br /><br />Circumcising yourselves to the Lord and taking away the foreskins of your heart <br /> Jeremiah 4:4 <br /><br />Cursing a tree and three cities <br /> Matt. 21:19 (tree) <br /> Matt. 11:22-23 (cities) <br /><br />Cursing children and animals <br /> Deut. 28:18 <br /><br />Cursing people with blindness, leprosy, hemorrhoids, consumption, madness, sickness, starvation, thirst, pestilence <br /> Num. 12:10 <br /> II Kings 5:27 <br /> II Kings 15:5 <br /> II Kings 6:18 <br /> Acts 13:6-12 <br /> Lev. 26:16-39 <br /> Deut. 28:15-68 <br /> I Sam. 5:6 <br /> II Sam. 24:15 <br /><br />Cutting up a woman's body and distributing the pieces <br /> Judges 19:29 <br /> <br />D Dashing little ones against the stones <br /> Psalm 137:9 <br /> Isaiah 13:16 <br /><br />Delivering people up to the torturer <br /> Matt. 18:34-35 <br /> Matt. 13:41-42 <br /><br />Designing an eternal torture chamber for most people of the world and describing their screams <br /> Matt. 13:50 <br /> Matt. 7:14 <br /> Luke 13:24 <br /> Matt. 13:42 <br /><br />Devils tearing peoples' bodies to get out, jumping into pigs, talking and walking about, turning into snakes <br /> Luke 8 <br /> Luke 9:38-42 <br /> Job 1:7 <br /> Mark 3:11 <br /> Mark 1:23-28 <br /> I Peter 5:8 <br /> Gen. 3:1 <br /><br />Discovering women's secret parts <br /> Isaiah 3:16-17 <br /><br />Dividing the prey, to every man a damsel or two <br /> Judges 5:30 <br /><br />Drinking poison, handling snakes, jabbering nonsense <br /> Mark 16:17-18 <br /><br />Drinking the blood of the slain <br /> Num. 23:24 <br /><br />Drinking your own urine and eating your own excrement. Urinating on public walls <br /> Isaiah 36:12 <br /> I Kings 14:10 <br /><br />Drowning women, men, children, embryos and and animals by inches <br /> Gen. 7:23Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-69640108465977680882009-08-30T22:00:05.707-06:002009-08-30T22:00:05.707-06:00john, please defend these "moral standards of...john, please defend these "moral standards of the bible" perhaps they are all part of a ceremony of some sort I have never been invited to?<br /><br />A delicate woman doing evil to her children and eating them <br /> Deut. 28:56-57 <br /><br />A fair woman without discretion resembling a jewel of gold in a swine's snout <br /> Proverbs 11:22 <br /><br />A human body wallowing in blood on the highway <br /> II Sam. 20:12 <br /><br />Abandoning orphans <br /> Psalms 109:7-20 <br /><br />An angel killing 185,000 warriors in one night <br /> II Kings 19:35 <br /><br />Angels consorting with women of earth <br /> Gen. 6:4 <br /><br />Asking your neighbors to help you stone a stubborn son to death <br /> Deut. 21:18-21 <br /> <br />B Bears devouring 42 children <br /> II Kings 2:23-24 <br /><br />Beating slaves to death in stages <br /> Ex. 21:20-21 <br /><br />Beating your child black and blue <br /> Proverbs 23:13-14 <br /> Proverbs 22:15 <br /> Proverbs 20:30 <br /><br />Boiling and eating your son <br /> II Kings 6:29 <br /><br />Breaking and chopping up human bones and seasoning human flesh, flaying flesh off bones <br /> Micah 3:2-3 <br /> Ezekiel 24:10 <br /> Daniel 6:24 <br /><br />Burning books, denouncing science, closing mouths, becoming fools <br /> Acts 19:19 (books) <br /> Titus 1:10-11 (mouths) <br /> I Timothy 6:20 (science) <br /> I Cor. 3:18 (fools) <br /><br />Burning women accused of witchcraft and men accused of wizardry <br /> Lev. 20:27 <br /> Ex. 22:18 <br /><br />Burning your only daughter alive to fulfill a promise <br /> Judges 11:39 <br /><br />Burning your son as a sacrifice <br /> II Kings 3:27 <br /><br />Burning 250 princes alive <br /> Num. 16:35 <br /><br />Burying a criminal's wife and children alive <br /> Num. 16:27, 33 <br /><br />Buying a wife with 200 male foreskins <br /> I Sam. 18:25 <br /><br />Buying your brother to be your slave <br /> Deut. 15:12 <br /><br />Buying your rape victim for your wife <br /> Deut. 22:29Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698011776756869178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-8285197941527945012009-08-30T21:42:02.900-06:002009-08-30T21:42:02.900-06:00We can move on to how the bible condones both geno...We can move on to how the bible condones both genocide and the beating of children.<br /><br />Is this just in a ceremonious idea? perhaps just for show? or perhaps its straight imoral on all accounts of humanity?<br /><br />accounts of wife beatings, child beatings, murder, and slavery all have been condoned by the bible.<br /><br />there are straight forward directions on how to's even.<br /><br />Not just lets talk about whats right or wrong on these subjects.<br /><br /><br />Please start to defend these and how you support them directly since you directly support all pasages of moral standards of the bible.<br /><br />Your words not mine.<br /><br />we can stop on the discussion of ceremony ideas since you have decided what is and what is not a ceremony at least for now. perhaps slavery was just a ceremony? perhaps people were killed in the "name of God" for ceremony? or is do not kill not a moral statement unless someone disagrees with you?Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-54888250907816100422009-08-30T21:27:48.069-06:002009-08-30T21:27:48.069-06:00if you do not support those passages then you must...if you do not support those passages then you must not be a litteralist? or perhaps you do just pick and make the choice to what you support or do you support and respect this?<br /><br />2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." <br /><br />for if you do support this then do tell how do you treat your slaves?Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-74812628359046107092009-08-30T21:19:24.052-06:002009-08-30T21:19:24.052-06:00You would think that Jesus and the New Testament w...You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-73466810096804868782009-08-30T21:18:41.864-06:002009-08-30T21:18:41.864-06:00oh I guess you are repenting every day for these p...oh I guess you are repenting every day for these passages...<br /><br />However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)<br />Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. <br /><br /> What kind of family values are these?<br /><br />lets go to these....<br /><br /> The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?<br /><br /> <br /><br /> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)<br /><br /> <br /><br /> So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!Jesus was a liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03458467100958107647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-51927773227041145362009-08-30T20:18:31.761-06:002009-08-30T20:18:31.761-06:00John, Science and history proves those thousands w...John, Science and history proves those thousands wrong as well. <br /><br />The world is not flat, we do not sit still and the sun does not revolves around the earth.<br /><br />As for morality vs ceremony. there are tons of wrongs in the bible that history and or other groups of people had to force you to change, such as slavery, and the many wives that you do not have. I do not see anyone who marries their brothers wives either when their brothers die. All moral, not ceremony. As for things such as Salvery it was the extreme christains of the south, not very long ago that forth to the death to try and keep it. <br /><br />Morality is all subjective, all religion in definition is subjective. None of it is objective truth. Only one persons truth is objective and then only to that one person.<br /><br />The only references to homosexuality as "wrong" is in the old testiment not the new. Jesus has no say in the newest bibles which you base your religion on about such morality. <br /><br />There is many versions of your religion, and yours is one version. Not overall truth.<br /><br />Your group of people are notorious for immoral acts such as trolling for donations in the "light of truth" <br /><br />I will pray for your "truth" for my truth finds your acts very immoral and in my view is against all things that Jesus stands for.<br /><br />For my objective truth and my faith in Christ is to accept all men, including the gays and their love and committment for God and for each other.<br /><br /><br />I hope you take a clss in history and science along with all your "knowledge" and time you have spent on your one version of the bile.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04881471137458920506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-52837493573174847292009-08-28T15:40:57.054-06:002009-08-28T15:40:57.054-06:00Troy, There are thousands, probably millions, who ...Troy, There are thousands, probably millions, who prove you wrong.John Helmbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122711996810769770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7535354299638217634.post-55175966830265660862009-08-28T14:21:46.962-06:002009-08-28T14:21:46.962-06:00No serious student considers the Bible to be a boo...No <b>serious</b> student considers the Bible to be a book of truth, John.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000801766472938222noreply@blogger.com